User talk:Dark Web, White Hat

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Womb Newt[edit]

Wow, uncharacteristic sloppiness from Mnbvcxz. Thanks for copy-editing. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ00:43 1-Apr-21

You're welcome. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 00:44, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Now there's a user from the pass - Mnbvcxz and his 'preggo' contributions. And then, like so many, they vanish. --Laurels.gifRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ยฎ 17:50, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I always thought the two things were related: His exploration of absurd aspects of the bloated female form because he was going to be a father, then his total lack of time for us, because he was one. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ18:05 3-Apr-21

Beginner's Guide/Make sense[edit]

Oh, my! someone's actually going to try the links to see if they go anywhere and fix them when they don't, in our instruction to newcomers? Yeoman work! Thank you! Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ13:04 3-Apr-21

Aw, shucks! Just fixing as I re-read some of the material. But if it helps others, great. ๐Ÿ˜€ Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 13:17, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

I can't measure the amount of help, but a bad link that dumped the newbie at the very start of one of our longer policy pages, to try to find the elaboration of the point the old page was making, surely didn't help! Cheers Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ14:42 3-Apr-21

Metal Gear (disambiguation)[edit]

Have some fun with disambiguation pages! I did so just today with Wolfenstein, and more famously in the past with Truth or Consequences and Well-endowed. They can be more than just a list of articles, and as you see, they do not even need articles. You can draw material as desired from the articles that the disambig points to. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ18:27 4-Apr-21

Oh, okay. Nice to know. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 19:05, 4 April 2021 (UTC)


Great work! and now, unfortunately, I have nominated it for deletion. As I state on VFD, I believe there are under a dozen callers of {{Wikia}} and {{Wikiapar}} combined, and we do not owe Wikia any free traffic after what they did to us (and continue doing: No one going to our old home gets pointed to our new home.) Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ20:06 4-Apr-21

HowTo:Recognize and Fight a Boss without Losing your Last Life[edit]

When doing an edit for house style, please also knock down the unnecessary capitals in the section heads! (Page title is a problem too, but possibly more time-consuming to fix.) 21:14 5-Apr-21 Yikes! that was more than you bargained for! Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ22:30 5-Apr-21

So what would I have to type to delete "pageid": 304343? Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ22:33 5-Apr-21

Try where 123ABC is your token. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 22:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
I think tokens are obtained from Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 22:44, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Sez The following parameter was found in the query string, but must be in the POST body: token. I don't have any access to the body of a request when typing a URL. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ22:53 5-Apr-21

Maybe this would help? : Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 22:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

No, it wouldn't; it shows the token placed in-line, about which, see error message above! Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ23:03 5-Apr-21

I think I remember now, POST requests can't be done via URLs, which are GET queries only. So it's complicated and technical. You could use Python, curl, JavaScript, or MediaWiki JS and do it like says. Sorry it isn't simpler. The documentation could be clearer too. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 23:15, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
And sorry for the late replies. It's been awhile since I deleted anything using the API. I don't know that I could really be much more help. I could contact you if I do figure it out. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 23:20, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Not a problem, I ducked out to the supermarket. In the meantime, I posted to User talk:Llwy-ar-lawr, who is on-site and often has ways to get around MediaWiki entirely. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ00:18 6-Apr-21


I don't understand your "dummy edit." The previous edit was mine and deleted an apology for a protection. But the protection was on the talk page, not the article itself. And incidentally, the article doesn't have a talk page! If a page is not editable (by you), you will not see an edit tab; it will say view source. 22:26 8-Apr-21 I see...It did have a talk page (until 2007) (all in Russian). Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ22:28 8-Apr-21

I think the page has a bug. See File:Screenshot from 2021-04-08 17-30-44.png. It's like that when signed out too. I don't know why, but the page reads No Editing at the top and Ctrl+Shift+e is disabled. I got around it anyway with the full URL. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 22:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh, you are too smart. The "No Editing" tab we apply to certain articles in the Forum: namespace to discourage users from reopening super-old discussions. We've always known that the tab was not a solution for exactly the reason you give. These pages do that by declaring a certain CSS class and then probably Common.js, based on the time of the last edit, changes the legend of that tab, and deadens it. I'll investigate. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ22:50 8-Apr-21

disableOldForumEdit() in MediaWiki:Common.js is the routine that disables the editing tab in the Forum pages. And usually, {{Forumheader}} on dated pages creates a DIV.old-forum-warning to trigger it. I don't see why any of that would apply to this page. Perhaps Templates/General references a template that causes the same effect on the page itself. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ22:59 8-Apr-21

I used Special:ExpandTemplates with wikitext {{:Uncyclopedia:Templates/General}} and searched for the CSS class. It's {{Historical}}. I'll probably code a way around it to solve the bug. Thanks for the hint. Oh, and would you delete the screenshot too please? Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 23:19, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I just caught up with you by asking Mozilla to show me the page source. For one Uncyclopedian to write an article describing and invoking every template in use, and for another to give effect to them in Common.js, is perverse! Yes, I'll delete your screenshot. Perhaps a better use of your time than devising a fix is to add text to the header explaining what's going on. After all, no one is rushing to edit this article. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ23:34 8-Apr-21

Too late :P already fixed. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 23:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Super Mario Odyssey[edit]

Congratulations! Your first feature!! --Laurels.gifRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ยฎ 08:58, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Glad others like it! Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 02:36, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Forum:Interactive periodic table[edit]

And now I think your good ideas will have to chill. The other two are unlikely to reply today, as they are in Britain, where it's well past Closing. I am in New Hampshire USA and am good for at least a couple more hours. Whereas you do not appear to sleep. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ01:34 15-Apr-21

Okay, no rush. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 02:24, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm doing major surgery on this, we just edit-conflicted, and I overrode you. Am investigating, but I think my changes will supersede yours. 01:01 16-Apr-21 They did. I'm done, you may proceed, only there's no HTML left. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ01:33 16-Apr-21

Oh, no worries. I just took a break. I like your table styling, by the way. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 02:31, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Florida flag[edit]

What is going on here? If you want to change the image, why not just click "Upload a new version"? If you want to change the name, why not just use the Move button? Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ04:28 19-Apr-21

I would have, but the system checks content type against name. Files ending in .png have to be PNG, files ending in .svg have to be SVG, etc. and moving a page to a different suffix would make a mismatch the system forbids. But after replacing the image twice, I've settled on File:Flag of Florida.png and am done with the Florida flags. Sorry for the confusion. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 04:33, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

All right. Separately, do you understand that the usual reason for using {{Notorphan}} is to declare that the relevant photo is used in a template or a <gallery>, which is not detected by Special:WhatLinksHere so Admins think the photo is unused? Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ04:41 19-Apr-21

Yeah, I think so. Isn't that what happened with File:Floridaplate.jpg? It got deleted twice, because nobody tagged it with {{Notorphan}} when it was being used by {{FloridianUser}}, but because {{FloridianUser}} is a random template, it only shows up 33% of the time. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 04:47, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

But File:Flag of Florida.png still reports that it's being used by {{FloridianUser}}, even though it isn't rendered on every call, because the use (including the [[File:... syntax) is present. The problem with templates is when you pass the name only as an argument, without the syntax (and sometimes without the namespace); in that case, MediaWiki doesn't detect that a photo is being used. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ04:55 19-Apr-21 Good night!

Okay. File:Flag of Florida.png and File:Floridaplate.jpg are both tagged with {{Notorphan}} because they're both currently used by {{FloridianUser}}. Both images should be kept, and both point to {{FloridianUser}}. File:Flag of Florida.png only has the tag in case other pages stop using it as an eventuality, though it's not currently the case. I think everything's fine. Good night. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 05:07, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Your user page[edit]

Less scary after your edit! One thing user pages are good for is as a trophy case to list your FA (featured article). Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ22:01 20-Apr-21

Yeah. When I used to edit Wikipedia I received my share of hate mail from random users, although that hasn't happened here. Kill -HUP just meant "hang up on the Unix process", though I implied otherwise... Anyway, no reason not to be more approachable now. But, nah, I won't show off my FA. I am sorta stunned that my first real article got featured though. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 22:26, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Not just featured, the ballot was flocked to, in recent terms! Wikipedia has supposedly objective standards for articles (though used as tools for a partisan result). Uncyclopedia is a creative collaboration toward the very subjective goal of humor, so friction and "hate mail" is just as much a possibility. In my opinion, no one is going to hate you on the basis of getting an FA! But who knows? Do as you wish. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ22:50 20-Apr-21


(Repeated from my talk page) We were both creating this at the same time. I merged in some of your text, but retained one difference: I never SUBST the {{Welcome}} template, for the reason I state in the doc. If you have a better reason for using SUBST, post-edit me and add the explanation to the doc. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ02:35 22-Apr-21

(Answered at your page; I won't post-edit you). Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 04:26, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

VFH templates[edit]

Would you take a look at the templates backing our VFH ballots? You seem to have book knowledge of HTML5 and MediaWiki, whereas my knowledge is imitation and trial and error. As noted at User talk:Romartus, twice recently appending a voter's signature has broken the ballot template, I guess because a vertical bar somewhere has been interpreted inside a template to mean "advance to the next parameter." The breakage does not seem to occur elsewhere, including in our VFD balloting. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ16:58 23-Apr-21

Looking into it. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 08:21, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I saw you questioning the use of {{!}} to simulate vertical bar without typing vertical bar, an experiment that aligns with my theory, though again, I don't have enough conceptual knowledge to understand the sequence in which transclusion occurs. That might have changed from the MediaWiki version when our templates were written and the version we are running under here (and of course in 2019 we moved to an entirely different server). In the meantime, you have diverted the offending ballot to the Sandbox, acknowledging in your Edit Summary that it will re-break VFH/summary, which it has. Please solve or revert. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ23:20 25-Apr-21

It's not so simple, so I did neither, but to the same effect; it's tracked in a separate category and only broken on Uncyclopedia:VFH/sandbox: following Wikipedia's sandbox testcases system, I'm testing mostly in separate /sandbox subpages. It should be out of others' way now. If it were just the vertical bar I could easily rewrite {{Votevfh}} to use HTML with no vertical bars whatsoever, but I now suspect it's a more complicated interaction of templates with other templates with mw:Extension:DynamicPageList (third-party). I haven't solved it yet, I'm still reading up on DynamicPageList2. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 02:36, 26 April 2021 (UTC)


More thanks for your ongoing work (Nigel too) on sprucing up our categories. You have run into several categories that are for so-and-so "images": airplane images, aviation images, insect images, images of people, soldier images, war images. As a category can hold both articles and illustrations, these should probably be merged with other categories. Categories of images populated by the uploader picking a license type are useful. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ15:20 25-Apr-21

Category:Uncyclopedian randomness[edit]

You created this category "to distinguish users who are random from articles needing fixing". Only, the name doesn't tell me which is in it. Perhaps Category:Uncyclopedians who are random? Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ22:04 27-Apr-21

Okay. That works. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 22:08, 27 April 2021 (UTC)


Glad you are down to two photos in the gallery. I believe we discourage galleries, because Uncyclopedia is not a picture book but a place to write funny stuff, using photos as garnishes and not the main course. (Furthermore, photos in galleries don't show up in WhatLinksHere, requiring that template thing to keep them from being deleted.)

The Wikipedia article bored me, pharmacology plus their typical fawning descriptions of shamanic confections. But perhaps there is a comedy strategy here: The encyclopedia writer waxes scientific to describe this foreign culture but it becomes clearer and clearer that what moves him is simply a good high. If you can pull that off, ditch the gallery and sprinkle the photos into the text. I thought the photo of the baby getting an EEG had potential. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ23:30 29-Apr-21

File:Soda jerk.jpg[edit]

I appreciate you adding categories to my uploads. Wikipedia (like Wikia) is no longer accessible from my antiquated kitchen-table setup, so I upload from my phone, and doing it right is awkward. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ22:43 1-May-21

No problem. Good to know it's useful. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 22:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Nooooooooooooooooooo! on VFD[edit]

Your rebuttal is well-reasoned, but serves to say not that this is a good article, but that it is a good subject about which to write an article. Are you inclined to go for the Save, for example by fleshing out some of the sections to be more than a single line of text? Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ12:06 5-May-21

I acknowledge that was essentially Straw man: I emphasized its notability over its merit. Yes, I'll attempt to improve it some, and we'll see if it's worth saving. As it stands now, it doesn't help the reader understand what the page is even getting at; I can attempt writing an introduction and maybe some variation. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 02:26, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Random templates[edit]

Ah, you have found these! We hates them. Author amuses himself by seeing that the article renders differently each time. Reader is not amused at all because he doesn't keep hitting F5 to see what he gets next. Just a comment. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ17:15 7-May-21


Regarding adding new modules here, please note User talk:Llwy-ar-lawr#Numerous new modules, where a newbie refugee from Wikipedia was doing the same thing, except that yours probably work correctly. Consensus on that occasion was that no one else on Uncyclopedia is able to maintain them. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ16:09 8-May-21

Good thing you told me: I had been considering invoking Module:Message box for all the message boxes! (thereby offloading code of several templates to a Lua script). I can code either, and the community being able to maintain the system when I'm not around is even more important than its efficiency. Noted. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 16:34, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

SVG help, please[edit]

Exodus 19.svg

I saw you converting illustrations to the more economical SVG and I tried to upload the file that produced File:Exodus 19.png in Iconoclasm. But I'm having a variety of mechanical problems and my documentation is pre-HTML5. All arguments in quotes, I can do that, but I'm now getting error messages at <textPath about namespaces; also fails to upload because SVG doesn't match the MIME type of the file, which I never declared. It is now at User:Spike/Exodus 19.svg; if you can debug this, feel free to install it and I'll study what you did. If not, the PNG won't slow us down much.

Separately, one thing that's gotten very slow these days is the UnNews Front Page, I suspect because of the version of DPL we've got, which has been frustrating in a variety of ways (for example, it no longer sorts the Hall of Shame correctly). Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ20:57 8-May-21

Thank you! and that's perverse! Tags are case-insensitive but case-finicky? I could have even taken care of that if the error message didn't talk about namespaces! I did add the <?xml thing (copied from one of the SVG files you authored or imported today) but it still didn't upload. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ22:29 8-May-21

You're welcome. I suspect the Highway Gothic font itself might have caused some of the problems, as it's not included in most browsers standard, so I converted it to a path. It may be hard to hand-hack now, but apparently it worked.
As for the DPL, I realized too it's more of a widespread problem than I'd thought. One reason I opened discussion on UN:VFS is practical: a lot of the infrastructure pages are locked to sysops only, so it's a cyclic pattern of request-unprotect-edit-protect. I hope that, if the community decides to grant me sysop privileges, I could fix things with less turnaround time. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 22:38, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

The "19" doesn't seem like Highway Gothic but Courier! Not a big problem but it feels less like an expressway sign than an attempt to fashion something that looks like an expressway sign.

I downloaded your earlier edit back to my PC and I am still getting the "namespace" error in the same place. Your final version is indeed hard to hand-hack, and the floating-point numbers reflecting how you drew it seem silly if what we were doing was trying to increase rendering efficiency! Hand-hacking is what I do; there is a copy of Inkscape on my oldest PC, and I appreciate the beauty of what it's doing, but have never been able to master it. For massaging photos, I use IrfanView, which does everything easily except merge two illustrations.

On oppage, I am neutral about whether we should adhere to procedure and not open the actual "nomination" until the 10th. There is absolutely no controversy about you - but there's no rush either; I'm happy to delete and unprotect anything you need while we wait. My own elevation to Bureaucrat was a surprise from Romartus with no VFS at all. My elevation to Sysop was a procedure-bound crapfest involving the sudden return of many people who supposedly just quit the website. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ22:49 8-May-21

On the issue of Oppage, I learned that creating new sysops when the active admin list went low was permissable when we were on Wikia. Since the vote has been open since the 1st May, I don't see why we can't just go ahead tomorrow and grant you the relative powers Dark Web, White Hat. The only thing I would like to receive is your email address for off-site discussions if required. I can be contacted at I will then confirm it is you has emailed me and then I will go ahead and add the badge to your user page. That ok? --Laurels.gifRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ยฎ 13:49, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
I sent you an email from V[...]C[...]G[...] with a potential concern. If it's a non-issue, then okay. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 06:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Message received and replied to. Thank you. --Laurels.gifRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ยฎ 08:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Read. Thanks. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 09:00, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Ooh! You even made the joke better! Thank you! Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ11:53 9-May-21


I agree with these edits. I wouldn't want any Uncyclopedian spending time on a "fair-use rationale" rather than writing funny stuff. See also "fair use" at HTBFANJS#Don't steal stuff. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ14:51 10-May-21


You are now part of cabal. Add your name and time zone here : --Laurels.gifRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ยฎ 11:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Mwahaha! Now I can take over Uncyclopedia with my evil plan! (To-do: come up with an evil planโ€ฆ)
Erโ€ฆthanks, will do! Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 20:10, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Admin names in bold.css[edit]

At the moment, Uncyclopedia isn't referencing this file. I described how interested users can produce the same effect with local orders, at UN:HAX#Administrators listed in boldface in reports. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ13:14 13-May-21


If it was worth your time to do whatever you did with that, wouldn't it be worth your time to gin up a diagram that looks like it might appear in Wikipedia? (Or is scrawl a key to the comedy strategy?) Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ23:41 13-May-21

It's only slightly better, just so I could figure out what the image said; and not a key to the comedy strategy. I think I might ditch the graph and go with something like a Skrillex concert or a techno rave: something cool and millennial generation-looking. With all the legit offshoots of EDM like "rapewave", "vaporwave", "happy hardcore", "trap", "witch house"; I might go for a joke on the reader that this is what every teenager's listening to nowadays, and pretend this is a real genre. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 23:53, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ23:56 13-May-21

Boretal Kombat[edit]

I renamed this Mortal Kombat and fixed some links. FYI, joke page titles demand that the reader type in the punch line to see if there is a page on it, and that's backwards. A page can make itself display with any title it desires, once the reader arrives.

Meanwhile, thanks for rationalizing our navigation templates. It is somewhat Wikipedia-like that they all look similar, and there is no real comedy point in making some look different. It happened because a hundred different authors solved the same problem independently over the years. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ13:23 15-May-21


I saw you working on this old Bizzeebeaver hack in your userspace, but I did not see you install it anywhere. Did the experiment fail? Never mind, saw your note in the Forum. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ01:09 17-May-21

HowTo:Smell your own farts[edit]

I was sorry to plow this under, pursuant to the vote at VFD (including yours), also the photos you painstakingly documented. You did manage to give this article some playfulness and cleverness (okay, then, not enough) to go with its inherent grossness. While your expertise with JavaScript and MediaWiki is irreplaceable, I do hope you will dabble again on the content side!

Separately, you put my Barf into Category:Gross. Fair enough, the topic is gross, but my treatment of it was not. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ15:04 18-May-21

Deleting HowTo:Smell your own farts was fine, it was more practice than anything. Honestly, I think I enjoy coding more than I do writing comedy; I swear, as an Aspie, it's like a game to me. I do enjoy some writing though!
You managed to write about barf without making the reader want to barf? I shudder to think how bad Barf was before your decree "that this article must never [โ€ฆ] host competitions to see who can be most gross [โ€ฆ]". As it is now, not bad. I think I'll put a category note. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 21:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Very well; doing what you enjoy the most is the key to a long stay here! Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ00:21 19-May-21


I'll poopsmith VFD, if you please, unless unexpectedly absent. We usually leave closed ballots on the page for 24 hours so people can see that a vote was settled and not just disappeared. (This is informal. The 24 hours before closing a ballot is official.) I also tend not to remove the final ballot, even if closed, because it shows more clearly what the page is for. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ10:06 19-May-21

Oh, okay. Didn't know if it was social expectation for the one submitting ballots. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 19:47, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Polite as always! And now I'm going to wait another day on the current crop. During our recent slough, three Admins in agreement (Dr. Howard? Dr. Fine? Dr. Howard?) was sufficient to close the VFD vote. (Historically, we looked for a +5.) Lately, Sog1970 and Nigel Scribbler have been active, though not daily, and might want to take a slash at these. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ20:34 19-May-21

FYI, I'll defer poopsmithing of the remaining ballot (Aperture Science) so as to more clearly show any bystanders what the page does. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ13:49 17-Jun-21

VFD of categories[edit]

I didn't have to precede Category with a colon on {{VFDn}}. (When I did, I got two of them.) However, on {{VFDc}}, I did have to, or else citing the Category included the VFD page in it rather than being displayed. Can you see why? Is it as simple as adding a colon before {{{1 at the start of {{VFDc}}? Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ23:42 20-May-21

Basically, but if we implemented that tiny change alone, it would double the colons for instances that already supply one, so it'd look wrong. I made {{Trim colon}} to handle colons and non-colons in the same way, and am in the process of implementing that. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 02:35, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 Fixed. Will document, too. Let me know if any bugs crop up. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 02:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


Moved to Talk:Flamethrower#2021 rewrite

Jebediah Guthrieโ€Ž[edit]

Moved to Talk:Jebediah Guthrieโ€Ž#2021 VFD conversation

A Twitter template[edit]

I was reading today. One common feature is that their columns are punctuated by tweets from Twitter. (A typical author quotes his own tweets as though his opinion were being corroborated by an expert, but let that go.) is a sibling website that covers nothing but tweets, as though each were a landmark speech (each tweet followed by a snappy retort to which the conservative reader nods in agreement).

It would be nice if we had a way comparable to {{Cquote}}, or like UnNews {{ColumnistInfo}} (described at UnNews:Style#UnNews_columns) to consistently render something that claims to be a tweet. The template would provide a graphic that is not the Twitter logo but unmistakeably implies Twitter, maybe a blue-and-white logo of a dead bird on the floor of a cage, maybe you can do better. Arguments would be: Text of the tweet, alleged author of the tweet, date, and some gibberish to click on to go somewhere but not Twitter. Any ideas? I have no ideas on building an UnNews article around tweets, so there's no rush on my account. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ00:25 27-May-21

I'd be willing to work on it later tonight. Are you aware of Category:UnTweets? {{Twit5}} is way too realistic, but {{Tweet}} looks modifiable for your use case. I can fork {{Tweet}} and add a logo, maybe this dead twitter logo, with the red removed; and the link text could go to Twitter. Sound approximately right? Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 00:51, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Um, I'm aware of it now. {{Twit4}} looked promising but delivered nothing but a dollop of turquoise. {{Tweet}} is closer but the external link to isn't bringing anything across, and in any case, that's not the way to do it. Oh my, tweet time is hard-coded as 1 minute ago? Looks like, independent of my possible use, anything you do to this will be an improvement! Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ01:12 27-May-21

Accessible Twitter website icon.png
I souped up {{Tweet}}. I went with the crudely-drawn bird someone else drew and documented everything. I based it more on's styles than anything, but I omitted the icons at the bottom. The template floats center like pull quotes. I don't know if it's what you had in mind, but I did code for author, date, and gibberish to click on; the author name, hashtags, and bird icon link to the Uncyclopedia page if it exists. What do you think? Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 11:29, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

That will do the job nicely! although I still don't have a "job" for it. I don't have Gotham and the text is rendering sans-serif as designed, but very large, on my kitchen-table (read, antiquated) PC, probably because of local userContent; Object Inspector won't tell me where the effective style is coming from.

Can any template have a styles.css? Is that a magic word? Can a template have custom CSS per skin? When a template is transcluded, where does the CSS go?

Hashtags usually occur inside the tweet and not at the end. The author can use a piped link to direct a hashtag to an Uncyclopedia page, if desired. Your autolinking does make #hashtags render in color, as @usernames should as well, and for realism, red-links should appear turquoise as well. (Twitter highlights any #hashtag, but renders @usernames without highlight if the user is a fan of Trump. But again, the author can see to that.) I do like your autolinking for by.

You might open a Forum announcing this innovation. I'll see what in UnNews:Style can be updated to refer to it. Thanks heaps! Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ12:03 27-May-21

"text is rendering sans-serif as designed, but very large"

  • To fix this, I replaced some inline code in Template:Tweet with a font-size: larger declaration in Template:Tweet/styles.css. "larger" is left open to device interpretation, unfortunately, but it should be less obnoxious than the inline code I had used. It can be overridden on a user-by-user basis with a personal stylesheet; by specifying font size in percent like .tweet-text { font-size: 120%; !important; }.

"(1) Can any template have a styles.css? (2) Is that a magic word? (3) Can a template have custom CSS per skin? (4) When a template is transcluded, where does the CSS go?"

Quick answers: Yes, no, yes, and injected into the page.
  1. Any template can have a stylesheet, because Llwy-ar-lawr installed a MediaWiki extension she talked about a while back. In fact, multiple stylesheets can be called on the same page. And, as I discovered below, it's not limited to templates.
  2. styles.css is not a built-in magic word, it's a regular CSS stylesheet that developers recommend making a subpage and naming styles.css, probably so it doesn't get forgotten or mistyped. Stylesheets need to be created first, then called by inserting <templatestyles src="Template:Example/styles.css"/> to the top of Template:Example. If it's mistyped or the stylesheet doesn't exist, a noisy Template:Example/styles.css has no content. appearsโ€”and propagates to every page that transcludes it. Kind of a design flaw, if you ask me.
  3. See mw:Help:TemplateStyles#How can I target specific skins?
  4. It behaves as injected code, not a real stylesheet. Despite what Llwy-ar-lawr said about it being limited to the Template namespace, I discovered Special:ChangeContentModel (accessible via the "Page information" link in the toolbar of pages) can be set to "Sanitized CSS" to work for other namespaces. I made Uncyclopedia:Sandbox/styles.css, changed its content type, and examined the generated HTML of Uncyclopedia:Sandbox where I used the class. My inspector found <style data-mw-deduplicate="TemplateStyles:r6106196">.mw-parser-output .yellow{color:yellow}</style>. It's a <style> element definition, without any visible .css link. I've deduced the r stands for revision and the number following is the permalink of the stylesheet. Therefore, you can hunt down the stylesheet by using Special:Permalink with the revision to get the source e.g. Special:Permalink/6106196.

"Hashtags usually occur inside the tweet and not at the end. The author can use a piped link to direct a hashtag to an Uncyclopedia page, if desired. Your autolinking does make #hashtags render in color, as @usernames should as well, and for realism, red-links should appear turquoise as well."

  • I updated how Template:Tweet works (before anybody really started using it) by doing away with ht, ht2, and ht3. Hashtags are recognized automatically (according to my tests at least 100 hashtags can be recognized in a single Tweet). I used a Lua regular expression to identify text with # and mark them with .tweet-text, that are then handled by the stylesheet. Autolinking is off, but manual wikilinks within hashtags work, and redlinks still show up in turquoise.
I appreciate the feedback. This was a fun exercise. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 06:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

And I always appreciate your meticulous work, and the tutorial! Yes, I did see some mw-deduplicates in the page I inspected; decided that name had been invented by a stutterer and moved on. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ09:48 28-May-21


You created this redirect based on its typical use, mostly in UnNews. However, its typical use is in error, by authors who don't know the name of the Washington, D.C. article or maybe how to write a piped link to capitalize it, per UnNews:Style. I've corrected these. DC now has a comparable chance of meaning DC Comics or several other things, so I turned this into a disambiguation page. You're welcome to drop in a photo. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ10:01 29-May-21

Ah, works better. Thanks. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 00:07, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

And I bet you saw it became a home for your second Guthrie illustration. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ00:22 30-May-21

Yes, that too. Clever re-purposing: the picture itself is now humorous in context. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 00:34, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia:Style Guide[edit]

To tie up our previous conversation, psychologist is another skill of high value here!

It is admirable that, given a disagreement among editors, you move to ensure that the decision or precedent is written down somewhere! But this Style Guide is so old that it violates a tenet of our style: that first-level heads should not be used. It is also from an era (also evident in talk pages from that era) when there was an unspoken duty to show your sense of humor everywhere, even when it got in the way of communicating important things. This is evident throughout the Style Guide. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ03:24 30-May-21

Thanks for knocking down those headings. (Website has been unresponsive all morning and I take it the upgrade is about to begin.) My next project might be to edit this article generally to make it less jaunty and self-satisfied...unless that is also your next project. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ14:36 30-May-21

Where were we? Yes, reading that Intro, if I needed answers to questions, I would have quit before even getting through it. Another problem is that this is a small slice of what we call the Beginner's Guide (I'll include the entire template in this manual right now) and needs to be mindful that it is addressing only Uncyclopedia standards for typography (and the random lesson in English grammar) and is not the first page the newbie will read. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ03:03 3-Jun-21

I've made some edits to it. It's not as polished as Wikipedia's Manual of Style, or as humorous as the joke page Uncyclopedia's Manuel of Style, but I think it's better. Romartus added the pic in Emphasis section, which I think makes the right mix of funny with serious.
I made the page into policy. I also reworded {{Policy}} so UN:BAN and UN:CB don't read the equivalent of "this is ignorable".
I'm done with it, but it's an improvement. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 10:50, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks; now I want to take a turn. We oughtn't start with "Here is Rule 1" but "Why are there rules?" Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ11:14 3-Jun-21

Sure, go ahead; that seems logical. And anything else you think it needs or doesn't need. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 11:18, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

All done. I noticed that the guidance on section headings was actually done much better at Help:HowTo#Section organization, but you've scrubbed this section of the Style Guide already. Perhaps there is no way to discuss this aspect of page coding without getting heavily into Uncyclopedia style and it needs to be stated once, in the Style Guide. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ11:46 3-Jun-21

PS โ€” If you would please make me a small template ("We're not \ Wikipedia" or something), I'll tag locations in the Style Guide where we have gone in a different direction from Wikipedia. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ17:27 3-Jun-21

{{Wikipedia different}}, if that works. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 00:41, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I like it! Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ02:23 4-Jun-21

Gender issues[edit]

Thanks for fixing my double redirects; that's part of the job of servicing VFD but I only checked WhatLinksHere.

In the Style Guide, I added a sentence about "baffling the reader before you start to amuse him." This is especially awkward as I am collaborating with a lady. I stated my opinion in email (that "him or her" is fairer but an awful digression) and will now propose it in policy โ€” Uncyclopedia:Choice of Words#Gender issues seems to be the best place for it, especially as CoW is more guidance than absolute policy โ€” and you are welcome to provide your opinion. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ12:47 5-Jun-21

PS โ€” What you provided was a few other cases where Uncyclopedia style guidance documents don't follow Uncyclopedia style! and thank you. Now, we have some serious ugliness at Uncyclopedia:Style Guide#Lists and the following two sections, because {{See}} and {{Seealso}} don't look the same as {{Main}}. I prefer the latter and don't see why to make the text smaller, but if that's how Wikipedia does it, that's more important than how it looks to me. However, they should all look similar. In the meantime, I am inclined to remove these sections, because they're covered on other pages and those pages are listed at the top via {{Beginner's Guide}}. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ02:58 6-Jun-21

PPS โ€” Reasonable solution, and thanks for the overnight work on the VFD infrastructure! If you could turn your attention to VFH, Romartus says he tried to feature a new article on the main page (one of mine!) and got nowhere. Can you fix another bug? Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ11:11 6-Jun-21

Yep, though not right away. I'm going to be signing off pretty soon. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 11:14, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Ah, yes! sun coming up. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ11:21 6-Jun-21

If it amuses you[edit]

Here's some problems that affect only me and are very low priorities unless they really amuse you:

  • Llwy drew a blank trying to fix Patrol multiple changes. It has a ton of special-cases (patrol single edit, patrol multiple edits, patrol first edit to a page) but it should be mechanical to convert it to MW 1.35.
  • My User:Spike/common.js finally removes my (talk|contribs|block) legend again (as it's at the top of my pages anyway. But can it be that you really have to code this differently depending on whether the entry is a singleton or one of several grouped edits to the page?
  • Removing the block button from everyone's page, I reimplemented without a loop. However, there is a space after "contribs", appearing between two SPANs, one of which seems completely unnecessary, and I can't get over to it to kill it.

Separately, I was about to write a new bit of proposed Uncyclopedia policy on a hot button of mine (exaggerated because my kitchen-table setup defaults to a personal .FON font): A non-italic period or comma typed after an italic word looks no different but is rendered a long way away from the word to which it applies โ€” I presume because MediaWiki aligns the characters' bounding boxes at the middle or top. I typed in the explanation, and two examples, and it's no longer happening! Do you know if MediaWiki regarded this as a bug and solved it by MW 1.35? Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ14:45 6-Jun-21

On the last issue: I couldn't find it in any of the release notes for MW 1.31โ€“MW 1.35. It's possible that it wasn't MediaWiki at all, but perhaps a problem with your web browser. It is rather strange for problems to suddenly go away like that; maybe whatever bug it was crept out. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 10:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Logical quotations[edit]

Do we do logical quotations here? I think we should, though I don't feel particularly zealous about enforcing it. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 10:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Me, I do when it's important; if providing command-line text to be typed, you mustn't put a period or comma inside because that changes it. Question marks and exclamation points should be logical, to show whether the mood came from the quotation or the quoter. On the other stuff, I drift toward the rest of the world's style, which is that period and comma look best inside and anything larger looks better outside, and looking good is better than exactly imitating Wikipedia ({{Wikipedia different}}). This is an issue, like double-spacing between sentences, not worthy of an editor's crusade. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ11:13 9-Jun-21

Template:Periodic table[edit]

HTML may call this a template, but it's not a MediaWiki template; it's a file containing the CSS called for by an Uncyclopedia article. It strikes me as a helper file that should be in the same namespace as the article, a sub-page rather than an identically-named page in some other namespace. However, if people accustomed to editing CSS files on wikis do it differently and would be more used to what you've done, ignore this comment. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ15:38 8-Jun-21

Edit war[edit]

Thanks for that footnote, but it's making me question my sentence that you attached it to. It's like me saying the style choice is not worth slitting anyone's throat, now with a footnote explaining where the carotid artery is.

Also, I just added a recommendation at Footnotes that editors use {{Reflist}} instead of <References />.

The Style Guide ought to have a section, incorporating your advice to Brogo13 and your Wikipedia quotation on the Good Copy-editor. Or better, at Uncyclopedia:Behavior, which already discusses edit wars but could use this better guidance.

Finally, should we move the grammar refresher to Beginner's_Guide/GRAMMOR? And should it be named that? Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ02:44 10-Jun-21

Acknowledged, about the footnotes and quotation on the Good Copy-editor. GRAMMOR should probably be renamed, and have a useful shortcut as well; I'll rename it and move the grammar refresher there. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 02:56, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for all that; that's exactly what I had in mind. I went in afterward to reduce passives and accentuate the positive; also removed the old "for boys of your age" from the section heading, less likely to make someone laugh than to make girls wonder if they are welcome. And I have a footnote of my own. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ10:15 10-Jun-21

Clearer. And more inclusive. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 10:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Main Page[edit]

Editing the Main Page, are you now??? Very well. Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ03:04 18-Jun-21

Yes, but not visually different, hence marked as a minor edit. Anything substantial I'd unmark as minor and/or discuss beforehand. Just so you know. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 03:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

VFD survivor[edit]

You beat me to the correction at Talk:Aperture Science! But when I clicked on "Survivor" on VFD, it's supposed to type the right thing for me, creating the page if necessary. Is a template broken? Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ10:04 19-Jun-21

Yeah, looks like it, though it was undocumented and I don't know where it came from before. The Survivor thing is Template:VFDn, which doesn't mention or contain code for launching a preload with the Oldvfd form. I may be able to add one regardless. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 10:13, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

It's wizardry of PuppyOnTheRadio. There used to be a preload. Good luck and thanks! Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ10:19 19-Jun-21

Ah, was Template:VFDc, which does have that. I didn't have to write a new one, just updated it for the new DPL, so it seems to be fixed. And no problem. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 10:25, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Block of KUNDAR91[edit]

Huh? The edit you reverted before permabanning him is over ten years old, and it seems it was the basis for his second "strike" (one-year ban by Mordillo). Spıke ๐ŸŽ™๏ธ03:36 20-Jun-21

I didn't get quite enough sleep last night, so at the risk of being too verbose:
First, I suspect they may actually be a script. If they are, it would stop them, but if they're human, they can write an intelligible appeal โ€“ even "hey, unblock me, I'll quit it" โ€“ on their talk page. Second, their contributions inserted nonsense interspersed with external links. In literally every edit, including deleted contributions (where they uploaded thumbnails of popular images with a size prefix and no summary) their edits were unintelligible or otherwise nonsensical. The user was blocked by TheLedBalloon in April 2009 for one day, then continued to be disruptive; was blocked by Mordillo in May 2009 for one year, waited an extra year after that, and inserted nonsense/gibberish again in 2011. If they have the patience to wait two years, then do the exact thing again, they're either persistent or automated. I simply don't want to be too forgiving and not catch them when their block finishes.
I'm an admin on another project I shan't name. I used to leave a message on every talk page, of every editor I'd revert. The accounts with strange names would make edits, never respond, and vanish. I began to suspect they're maybe not human. Have you noticed the user creation log, how every so often single Asian characters are registered as user accounts, one after another, and never make any edit? Humans, generally, communicate in some fashion, if only to talk about themselves or to protest their innocence. Computers are getting smarter, but human nature is pretty constant.
That said, if you feel it's too abrupt, you're welcome to change the block settings or pardon them: I have no animosity toward them. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 04:15, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Correct myself: The Asian character account creation thing only happened once, as a string of 18 accounts with no edits. Dark Web, White Hat (talk) 04:51, 20 June 2021 (UTC)