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I hope you enjoy it here and write a lot of funny stuff! Spıke Ѧ 22:23 14-Feb-13


I reply further under your post on Talk:Wales. I apologize for your rough treatment before picking a username. Spıke Ѧ 22:23 14-Feb-13

PS--It is possible to ridicule a place you love, and in fact such a person might write the best comedy. My tough love is at New Hampshire. Spıke Ѧ 22:42 14-Feb-13

On your subsequent edit:

  • Wikipedia puts period or comma inside or outside the quotes based on whether it is part of the thing quoted. We put it inside, after Strunk & White, because it looks better that way.
  • I can't tell why you used {{cn}} to call for a citation. If it's to get someone else to do something, it won't work. You should only use it here to be funny. Spıke Ѧ 17:04 15-Feb-13
You are allowed to respond on your own talk page, right? Sorry if this is wrong.
I'm afraid the question of which way looks better is a matter of opinion, as I happen to think it looks better to have it outside the quotes. However, if this is truly a convention I will follow it.
I thought that might be the case about the citation tag. I'll get rid of it and maybe add a source. The article really doesn't have many sources, so maybe someone should find a few. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 21:43, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
You may absolutely respond on your own talk page; that is what it is for, and this is mostly how we communicate. In fact I am not sure that everyone punctuates as I do, but I am sure that it does not look better (to me) outside the quotes; it looks as though it has wandered away.
On the citations, it is not necessary that any assertion have sources, but it is necessary that everything be funny, and in fact be designed to provoke laughter first and to educate about Wales only as a distant afterthought. Complete untruths are allowed, only not when someone puts them on the page and expects their untruth to be the joke with no additional work on his part. Thank you for asking all these things, and congrats on getting the tildes right for the signature! Spıke Ѧ 22:08 15-Feb-13
If I recall correctly it's the British convention to put punctuation outside quotes.
I was only thinking of this when I mentioned sources. Of course they aren't necessary. I know educating about Wales isn't the point -- I'm only trying to keep it so it's funny even for those of us who consider ourselves part of the subject matter. This means not having stuff that just ends up being personally offensive and/or, as you said, tries to be funny by being false ('Wales is not a country').
You're welcome, and thank you -- four tildes aren't hard, and I learned them before at Wikipedia anyway. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 20:35, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Shaquille O'Neal

Your observations about what is and isn't humor are on the mark. You know what you are doing and are not (are no longer) a vandal, so I am granting you autopatrolled status, which means that your edits will no longer show up on Special:RecentChanges begging for review by an underpaid janitor like me.

Your only mistake is in assuming that this site is so busy as to have a person dedicated to maintaining this article. There are only about 200 articles that I take personal responsibility for. So, as at Wales, I welcome you to take command. Be advised that articles on star athletes attract contributors because of the star and not because the contributors are any good. Spıke Ѧ 16:59 15-Feb-13


Again I'm glad to see you are continuing to poke around and improve. You are awfully protective of Wales! but also a good editor. In context, I thought "filthy" there was spoken by the British rather than the article writer, but the article is no worse off after deleting the word.

On Romartus's pun on Cymri at Wales, it is a bit prurient but is a way to explain the name Wales, and you might use the material somewhere other than the Intro. And you might not. Have fun! Spıke Ѧ 04:27 16-Feb-13

I couldn't tell who was saying 'filthy'. You may be right. In any case, it didn't seem to add much.
I might not. Wales was already explained in terms of whales; the bit about Cymry being prohibited by porn filters was unnecessary (and what's more, it's Cymry not Cymri, but that's well beside the point). If someone adds it elsewhere that's fine, but then the two explanations might be given as 'tentative' or something -- or not. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 20:47, February 16, 2013 (UTC)
It was a weak joke which I don't mind seeing removed. 'Walha' was the Anglo-Saxon word for 'foreigners' . They applied this name to the 'Wales' and the 'Welsh' . The Welsh didn't and still don't accept this as their official name but the insult has been around for 1500 years so I guess they have got used to it. The Scots called the English the 'Sassanachs' (Saxons) and Pope Gregory the Great sent a missionary team to convert the 'Angli' (no mention of Saxons or the Jutes). And the name 'British' came from a Greek explorer Pytheas who asked the people what they called themselves. They said 'Pretani'...which eventually came out as Britons and the Roman province of Britannia. And today there is still no consensus what to call them (the term 'The British Isles now no longer acceptable as the Irish), 'the Islands' is now a neutral term which explains nothing except ! What is in a name!! --Laurels.gifRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 08:50, February 17, 2013 (UTC)
Happily, in America we have no such schisms, mah Homie. Spıke Ѧ 13:06 17-Feb-13
What about the Canadians? They were offered a chance to go with the 13 when they left the British Empire but chose to remain under the authority of Mad Queen Georgina. --Laurels.gifRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 10:53, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
If Québec ever actually gets its 'druthers, B.C. and Alberta are ours. And our only epithet for them has now been co-opted by a hockey team. Spıke Ѧ 12:06 18-Feb-13
The story of Wales/Welsh, British, etc. seems to point out that the Anglo-Saxons didn't much care about what everyone was called. They had two general terms for foreigners: walha, meaning Celtic or Romance people, and something to the effect of 'Dutch', meaning other Germanic people -- or so I've been led to believe. Walha gave rise to several modern terms, including Welsh and Walloon (forgot the others), and Dutch, as we know, refers only to Dutch in English. However, the English-speakers of course paid no attention whatsoever to the native names; Welsh is Cymraeg, Dutch is Nederlands, and German is Deutsch. You'd think German would be called Dutch, wouldn't you? You might also think that Cymric would still be in use to mean Welsh -- it was once -- but for some reason a word meaning 'foreigner' and more recently 'to not keep one's word/double cross' was more appealing. Go figure.
British actually should refer to the original Brythonic inhabitants of the Tair Ynys ('three islands', what we prefer to call the British Isles). I suppose it got applied to the English because somebody needed a blanket term for everything belonging to the Tair Ynys and the English were in charge of them for some time. The word English, in fact, comes from 'angel' and was not a native name either, or did not start out as one, and was obviously quite acceptable because it was not insulting.
America, whether you're using it to mean the United States or North America as a whole, actually does have naming issues over the previous inhabitants of the continent, namely the aboriginals. No one has made up their minds over whether to say Indian, First Nations, Native American, or something else. If one is being PC one will say First Nations in Canada and Native American in the US. First Nations is not accurate because they were not the first ones there by any stretch of the imagination. Native American is long and cumbersome and also carries connotations of 'they were the first ones there'. Indian is un-PC and also refers to people from India, and it's ambiguous no matter who you use it to refer to; you have to say 'Native American Indian' or 'India Indian'. This situation is very annoying, but for some reason we have no better term for these people. Why? Because nobody cares enough to make up their minds. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 18:18, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
There is an article worth writing here Llwy, from a satirical point of course. --Laurels.gifRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 06:37, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Someone has edited afterward, today, replacing one town name with another, and I am unable to tell whether there is any comedy difference. Would you please review this latest change? Spıke Ѧ 00:10 20-May-13

I already looked at it and I can't pass any useful judgement. I don't know what Camborne or Bodmin are. Someone else will have to decide whether to revert it or not; I can't see any benefit or harm either way. Sorry. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 01:10, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks anyway. I'll mark it "patrolled" as at least it has been looked at by two sets of eyes and is not overt vandalism. Spıke Ѧ 01:20 20-May-13

Sounds good. Say I don't suppose I'm ready to be able to mark others' edits as patrolled? I hate to think of all those red exclamation marks and wouldn't mind reducing the number of them. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 02:45, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Bore dda

Beth syn cropian ar dy goes? -- Sir Mhaille Icons-flag-gb.png (talk to me)

Cropian ar fy nghoes?...Dw i ddim yn deall. Beth wyt ti'n ceisio dweud? Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 19:42, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
What's that crawling on your leg, the most useful of Welsh phrases.... -- Sir Mhaille Icons-flag-gb.png (talk to me)
I understood the sentence, just not what you meant by it. Is it 'useful' in the same way as Mae'r gath yn cysgu ar y drws (the cat is sleeping on the door)? Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 19:56, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
No, making random statements about cats doesn't strike me as useful at all. Whereas pointing and shouting at someone in a public place about something crawling up their could that not be useful? -- Sir Mhaille Icons-flag-gb.png (talk to me)
I see. In any case, does dim byd sy'n cropian ar fy nghoes -- a diolch am fy nysgu brawddeg newydd! Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 23:39, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
Qwerty uiop, asdf; "ghjkl," zxcvbnm. Just my two cents. (With apologies to Mnbvcxz.) Spıke Ѧ 23:50 8-Mar-13 (Why is there an useful expression for something crawling up one's leg? never going there!!!)

Old Man and LV

Thanks for the spelling correction, nobody ever caught that. You have the eye of an eagle (to quote RM, you keep it on a jar on your desk). That page is my favorite of all my writings here, so that's doubly appreciated. Aleister 20:40 5-3-'13

English language

You asked for feedback on one of the talk pages, but correcting grammar and such is eternal and usually goes unappreciated. (Except for Aleister, above, who will use any excuse to chat you up.) And I've already told you that the bolder you get, the more we will benefit. Sadly, most feedback is negative, and that's what I've got here. You and I know that, on a trans-Atlantic wiki, a given article may contain both "realise" and "realize." In fact, the reader knows that too, and knows that the conflict has nothing to do with the English language, and as we famously write: "Wrong ≠ funny." I don't like my Uncyclopedians to bicker in articles any more than I like Oscar Wilde and Satan to bicker in the quotes. Don't complain about your standard-less fellow writers; take it upon yourself to make the page consistent and save your humor for stuff that's funny. As the English language is neither American nor British, which standard you choose is up to you. Spıke Ѧ 21:43 5-Mar-13

I suppose I should get rid of the self-referential stuff then. I wasn't really complaining; I couldn't really care less about English spelling myself. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 22:37, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

Avoiding self-reference is good advice in most cases, except of course when overridden by a really fine piece of writing! Spıke Ѧ 23:36 5-Mar-13


I cleaned up this article a bit after Anon visited it and appended to its Trivia section; but it might be receptive to more clean-up, and you might know something about Newport. Cheers! Spıke Ѧ 14:46 26-Mar-13

Thanks for letting me know. Will check it out when not busy. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 18:38, March 26, 2013 (UTC)


You got it right, except:

  • Newest requests should be at the top (I should have archived yesterday's request!)
  • For redirects, embed inside {{Redirect}} as instructed, so Admins don't blow away the base article by mistake
  • For unknown reasons, indent everything with one space

But the request was clear, and is now done. Spıke Ѧ 18:55 26-Mar-13

Bable talk

Great idea for having more minority languages. We need Scots. Sir ScottPat Icons-flag-gb.png Scotland Flag 1.png UnS CUN VFH (talk) 20:03, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

I see you made a template for Welsh. Well done. You coudn't possibly make one for Scots could you? Sir ScottPat Icons-flag-gb.png Scotland Flag 1.png UnS CUN VFH (talk) 20:11, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but I didn't actually make a template for Welsh. I just copy-pasted the 'Meow' thing from the talk page and changed the text. I can make real templates for Welsh and Scots if you would like. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 21:29, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant this talk page. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 21:34, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Sir ScottPat Icons-flag-gb.png Scotland Flag 1.png UnS CUN VFH (talk) 05:42, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for making the template:

Newcookie.gif ScottPat has awarded you a cookie!
Now go play in traffic.

Sir ScottPat Icons-flag-gb.png Scotland Flag 1.png Compassrose.gif UnS CUN VFH and Bar (talk) 06:13 8, August 2020

You back?

Welcome back! (Is he back?) Spıke Ѧ 20:50 27-Apr-13

Thank you! Yes, I'm back. At least I think so. I do seem to have disappeared for a while. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 21:31, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

I felt bad, as your last transaction here was to defend the honor of the Welsh people (surprise!) against my calumny at Sheep. (But I didn't feel that bad. Because this is a humor wiki.) Spıke Ѧ 21:34 27-Apr-13

User:Llwy-ar-lawr/Celwyddoniadur going down the tubes

I've moved your new Forum into your own userspace, replied to it, and sent mail to Sannse asking her to tell you what she can and can't do, or forward your report to whomever at Wikia liaises with this wiki. Apart from that, users of the English-language Uncyclopedia cannot do anything about the Welsh-language one, notably contribute to it. Spıke Ѧ 10:17 1-May-13

We've added some ideas to this so if you want you can have a look Llwy. Sir ScottPat Icons-flag-gb.png Scotland Flag 1.png Compassrose.gif UnS CUN VFH and Bar (talk) 06:13 8, August 2020

External links

"Uncyclopedia is for original comedy creations, not a catalog of funny stuff available elsewhere on the Internet." Even if you wrote it, even if the destination does not claim it is Uncyclopedia, and even if it is not YouTube. You are the victim of a tweak I made to the Abuse Filter yesterday, warning editors first, before attaching fluorescent markers to their edits on Special:RecentChanges. If the page you are working on reaches mainspace, I would appreciate it if it didn't try to send our readers away from the site. Spıke Ѧ 20:13 2-May-13

I saw that message. The link in question points to a certain Illogicopedia article, now also titled 'Kitty Store', that was the original version of my Uncyclopedia article. The abuse filter talked at me because I was changing the link to the new URL of the page and it thought it was a new link. Is it allowed to link to the Illogicopedia article that covers roughly the same subject? If it's wrong I'll take it out. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 20:20, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed; in fact the filter will complain any time you make any change to the line that contains the link, viewing it as both deleting and adding an external link. We have recently had a giant problem with fallen-away Uncyclopedians trying to sink this site and its webhost, which has made clear that we cannot use its servers to send its traffic elsewhere, even to illustrate the history of a given article. I enforce this zealously in the case of YouTube, because many people named I.P. Anon don't want to create humor but only that you watch a TV ad that they just watched; and I'd prefer to enforce it even-handedly (except at UnNews, where use of a link to a real news organization is recommended to explain the humor to people who don't watch the news). You are allowed to note on your user page what other homes you have; and you are not allowed to do so in your signature. Spıke Ѧ 20:34 2-May-13

So I suppose I should take out the link to Illogicopedia. Sorry. I'll go do that, and then can I move it to mainspace? ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 20:51, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

It's funny but smallish, which is a shame because the concept is readily extensible. Yes, move it to mainspace. It starts out unauthoritatively for inclusion in such a definitive work as ours; perhaps think about how you might do this differently. Spıke Ѧ 21:08 2-May-13


I am sorry to report that I am leaving. I am on the other English Uncyclopedia. Really, it's okay; I wasn't that much traffic. Have fun without me.

My userpage has accordingly been blanked. Please don't revert it. Thank you. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 14:39, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

We won't. It was nice knowing you and if you ever feel like you want to upgrade and edit on the BEST English Uncyclopedia then you can come back here. Thank you. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign.gif Scotland Flag 1.png Compassrose.gif VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY
One last comment; then I will really be gone.
I'd like to thank everyone I have worked with here, especially Spike. It's been very nice to be welcomed, given constructive feedback and thanked for what I've done. I do not blame any of you personally in this; I am leaving because my temper and Wikia do not mix well and I don't want to be in a fight or get banned over my feelings on this. I also don't want to be on yet another wiki, so I feel I have to choose between and I have chosen the former.
For anyone who has read my new userpage, I am sorry to have made such an extreme analogy. The abuse filter on external links is not nearly as horrible as Welsh Not, obviously, and I do not mean to imply that it is. The point is that, to me, the two are equally arbitrary and unfair and I'll not put up with either.
Finally, know that I think I will cry now -- I'm sad to leave you all like this! 17:16, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hello (rather urgent)

Hi, Llwy! I am probably late as you have left already but as they send you mails about "changes made to the page you are following", I hope that you can see this message.

I just wanted to tell you that you can't just simply walk away like this because:

  1. What you have done so far is great (except for rows with the admins)
  2. You will be famous if the the article which is on the press room will get published in the next issue of UnSignpost
  3. Wiki and you go very well together; just sometimes misunderstanding happens.
  4. The majority of Uncyclopediers have had quarrels with the admins

I hope you will return! P.S. Funnybony wrote UnNews:Wanted at Uncyclopedia: Women which is another good reason.

Anton (talk) 15:45, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Anton. I have had epic arguements with Spike before (look on Spike archive RFC) and so have many others. Most end up hating Spike as they give up on attempting to be friends with him and just hate him for the rest of their life but I held my tolerance and my pride and got through to see the other side and see that what Spike has done for this place is amazing and now we are good friends. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign.gif Scotland Flag 1.png Compassrose.gif VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 17:47, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I did leave, or at least I thought I did. But then I came back here and peeked in, and I found all this extensive discussion of me. Oh my. I wonder what I should do. Maybe I should stay here after all. I will be replying to this awhile. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 01:35, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well, then hello and re-welcome! Anton (talk) 07:30, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

I just wanted to say that I have never ever implied that you lack creativity or anything (as you have suggested on the Forum). That was a joke which was not at all connected to you! Anton (talk) 16:26, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

We don't discriminate if you want to flip between this site and the other one Llwy-ar-law - you are at liberty to do so. --Laurels.gifRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 17:25, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

For your work reverting the vandal tonight. There's lots more to be done, but less than there would be. I think I will be up into the wee hours of the morning this time. I just wish I'd gotten on earlier tonight. -- Simsilikesims(♀GUN) Talk here. 06:10, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you, and it seems Anons are helping clean up. I experience about 15-second page turnaround and am useless to make hundreds of corrections, though I tried to help last week. Returning from a day trip yesterday, I saw that stuff occupying the entire RecentChanges and gave up.
Llwy, writing a Change Summary that you hope "poor Spike didn't see this" is a fine way to ensure that I do look inside! At any rate, as I told site psychologist ScottPat last time, I don't take the vandal's Change Summaries personally; indeed last night he began to direct them toward Admin Mhaille instead, who was assisting with the repair. Simsie knows this vandal from years ago, and I see stuff in the site's filters designed to combat him, although of course they don't work when he slightly changes his script. Spıke Ѧ 10:25 16-May-13
Behind those words I see a terrified person who is being targeted deliberately by this vandal. Judging by his frantic use of grammar in his last message and his rather perculiarly simple sentence structure I take it that this vandal is someone close to him. Perhaps a work colleague? Yes that must be it. It's good of us to comfort Spike in his troubled times. Thank you Llwy. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign.gif Scotland Flag 1.png Compassrose.gif VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 10:38, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome - and thank you all too. I'm so glad the tide of vandalism has been stemmed. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 11:02, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

I take ScottPat's retaliatory barb in stride as I am really not "terrofied," whatever that is. Llwy, alas, the tide was stemmed last week as well--until this week happened. They say MediaWiki has a "throttling" feature, and I am beginning to wonder why Anon needs the ability to make more than three edits per minute. If the vandal were unable to wreak such large-scale havoc, that would mostly remove the allure. Spıke Ѧ 11:07 16-May-13
This whole business calls into question whether anons should be allowed to edit at all, doesn't it? It seems that most anonymous edits are vandalism and our most regular contributors have accounts, so there doesn't look to be much of a reason for not disabling IP editing. Disallowing more than three edits per minute would certainly help make it easier to control vandalism but it would just be that more effective if we disabled anonymous editing.
As for filters, to slow down this particular vandal further one could always set a filter to disallow edits with edit summaries in all caps, right? Or maybe warn users when adding quotations of a certain nature? That might be useful for other purposes as well -- for example preventing excessive Oscar Wilde quotes. I removed one of those from Wales recently, by the way. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 19:18, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hi there

It's good to see you editing a lot. How's the Welsh one going? Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign.gif Scotland Flag 1.png Compassrose.gif VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 19:48, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

It's not too bad. Only problem is the lack of users. Maybe things will be better once I've locally disabled the global blocks - there are an awful lot of them and who knows how many potentially useful contributors use those IPs. Sure it'll open the door to more vandalism, but I can handle that. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 22:51, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
Well it's good to hear that all is well and we're glad that you keep up editing on this site as well. Thanks. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign.gif Scotland Flag 1.png Compassrose.gif VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 16:33, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Added link to external website

Please don't talk back to my dear Abuse Filter in your change summary! The reason you are getting scolded is that the Abuse Filter sees a change to any line that contains a link as deletion of such a line plus insertion of such a line, and that trips it. It does it this way because Uncyclopedia views edits in terms of line insertions and deletions (and this is how it can retrieve editions from the past). If the link is harmless, just reconfirm and proceed. Spıke Ѧ 01:06 21-May-13

No, it does no good to talk back to the abuse filter, but it is in fact acting out of line and is not justified by your description. Any time I edit the page, actually, it complains about external links - whether or not the line in question, or the entire section, contained one. I appreciate your explanation but it doesn't explain what's really going on. Do you know what's the matter with it? I don't understand at all. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 01:12, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

I looked at the source and at the Abuse Log. What is happening is that the start of this file contains 9 links to, inside conditional code that ensures that a different one is picked on almost every new rendering of the page. Uncyclopedia perceives that you have removed an external link and inserted a different one. (1 out of 9 tries, it would pick the same one on two successive edits.) As this entire thing is pranking the reader rather than delivering original comedy writing, I'd just ditch it. Spıke Ѧ 01:18 21-May-13

I see. I don't see what your concern is about original comedy writing and pranking the reader, but the link in question doesn't seem to go where it should anyway, so I'll take it out. Now that this apparently undesirable case of 'pranking the reader', which doesn't even work correctly anymore, is brought to your attention, why don't you take it out of the original article? It comes from there, you realise. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 01:27, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
Side note: The <choose> tags with the external links are probably why you thought you tripped the abuse filter by adding cy:Fandaliaeth. That shortcut isn't supposed to trip the filter and it never has for me. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 01:34, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

I hardly know all the articles on this website. But I saw from the History where you said you got the page you are working on, and am hopeful that you'll improve it and replace the original. I will certainly not intervene and apply one of your edits to the mainspace copy, even though I agree with it. If Anon edits an article on a rock group to add one more dumb song pun to a list, I do often post-edit and rip out the entire Discography.

When you deleted that conditional code, you no longer tripped the Abuse Filter. The <option> and <choice> tags make Uncyclopedia choose one of several strings and render it at that position in the page. By "pranking the reader," I mean that the (original) author is not trying to make the reader laugh, but make him uncomfortably confused (making the author laugh--the little twerp!) at the fact that, when he returns to the page, it is not what he remembers being there.

No, I did not think that the Sidebar link to :cy: was the culprit. PuppyOnTheRadio explained why, in that Forum on you and the Abuse Filter. Spıke Ѧ 01:40 21-May-13

Did you just quit? again?

Thanks for post-editing yourself. You are welcome to use your user page to note other places where you can be found, but indeed you ought not use hard redirects to steer Uncyclopedia readers away from Uncyclopedia. Spıke Ѧ 11:40 2-Jun-13

That isn't 'away from Uncyclopedia', thank you. It was a link to my Welsh userpage, one of which can already be found in the sidebar, and the redirect broke anyway (see what I said in this edit for reference). I decided it wouldn't do anyone any good so I undid it.
I do not plan to quit since that would be impossible without a block; I am merely more active on the non-English versions since they need more help and thought I'd direct visitors to where I was more likely to be. No worries though - I'm not redirecting my userpage again only to have it break the redirect. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 19:39, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
I have also run across quite a few instances of crosslanguage redirecting talk pages. Nobody ever complains, it seems, as they are not crosswiki but crosslanguage; an important distinction. You don't seem to consider Welsh Uncyclopedia a true member of the Uncyclopedia family, and that worries me. Welsh has been excluded for far too long. It doesn't need that any more. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 19:44, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
I know that Welsh people get very wound up when there is discrimination towards their language and I respect this as they have saved their language, unlike Scots Gaelic which will soon be dead. However I do not think Spike would intentionally discriminate against your language and I'm sure there is another reason. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign.gif Scotland Flag 1.png Compassrose.gif VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 06:42, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
No I'm sure the discrimination isn't purposeful. I'm just saying that Spike doesn't seem to have really accepted Celwyddoniadur as being a branch of 'Uncyclopedia'. His reasons surely can have nothing to do with intentionally excluding Welsh; that is only their effect.
P.S. Talk page comments are not minor. I feel like I have been saying this a lot lately. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 14:36, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

At the start of this section, I should not have said "away from Uncyclopedia" but "away from this website." The sidebar links to see a selected page in a different language are a longstanding institution; I oppose other devices to take a visitor to somewhere else instead, especially a hard #REDIRECT that translates a page request to a page request somewhere else without an additional click, and I don't really care whether the destination is Wikia-owned or whether it says it is Uncyclopedia. Apart from that, your other comments are better directed against a past Admin or past opponent of the Welsh language than against me. I have no opinion on the Welsh website or on the Welsh language.

ScottPat, Llwy's point is well-taken. Entering a debate on a talk page is not a "minor" edit, which means inherently uncontroversial, such as a spelling or syntax correction. Your My preferences should not default your edits to "minor." And please stop dropping my name or telling third parties what I probably believe. Spıke Ѧ 14:52 7-Jun-13

We were talking about your revert so I decided to refer to your name instead of saying, "the person who reverted you." I do not see what is incorrect about that. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign.gif Scotland Flag 1.png Compassrose.gif VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 15:22, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
PS - I will change My Preferences though, sorry. Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign.gif Scotland Flag 1.png Compassrose.gif VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 15:23, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Electric fan

Oh, you're back! I hope your studies went well. The new user can benefit from your work; see also my pointers to him on his talk page, or add your own. Spıke Ѧ 14:08 24-Jun-13

I might be back; I might head off to somewhere where I think I am more able to contribute and there is more need for it. I'm afraid I might not have any pointers for SnowSerpent. Since I was blocked from all the Uncyclopedias I edit at all regularly I ended up being on Wikipedia more (probably couldn't get them to block me), and my first impulse was actually to call for references. References, indeed!
Things have been ok with the studies - last exam is today. I have to leave in 15-ish minutes so this will be rather quick. As you pointed out, you can't revoke my read access, and it helped some not to be able to edit but I really should not have been on any wiki during those two weeks and at the end of the day I was not fully able to keep myself off my wikis.
As an aside, I was puzzled by your comment that I would wear being blocked by you as a crown. I wouldn't. Being blocked is nothing to be proud of no matter which admin did it to you. Can't imagine why anyone would think otherwise - the users of this wiki do seem to have a bit of a strange attitude towards blocks though so who knows. As I see it, blocks are one of the few things that should always be taken seriously, but perhaps Wikipedia has overly coloured my perception of this and there is nothing wrong with treating blocks almost as if they were inconsequential, or intended to be a punishment rather than a sadly necessary measure to protect the project. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 15:22, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Hello again

And would you like to subscribe to UnSignpost? I think it is rather interesting (even though I was the main editor for two weeks). Anton (talk) 14:07, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Sure. I don't know if I'll read it much though - I'm kind of busy. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 17:02, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
Ok, it is here. Anton (talk) 13:42, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
I can do it myself, if you want. Anton (talk) 13:43, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
Done. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 23:16, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

PLS edition of UnSignpost with extra poo

Sir ScottPat (talk) White Ensign.gif Scotland Flag 1.png Compassrose.gif VFH UnS NotM WotM WotY 18:11, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Please don't reopen old forums

Probably nobody else will respond on the old forum you responded on, because of how we had to change forums so that they are now ordered in order of creation due to the work of a persistent vandal. That particular forum is also one we do not particularly wish to "bump": the url of the fork is easy enough to find by searching the Wikipedia article on Uncyclopedia or doing a Google search, we do not need to use Wikia resources to point users away from this site. We are trying to regrow this site, and it will take time, and the fork is also trying to gain new users as well, setting the two sites up for an unwelcome competition. The two sites are not going to agree to merge, the hosting here is reliable, and those users still here see no reason to move; and users on the other site do not like the censorship here. -- Simsilikesims(♀GUN) Talk here. 02:48, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Fine. I had only good intentions but here you go assuming bad faith. I am sick and tired of hearing about the Terms of Service, how we are using Wikia resources to do this, that, etc. Enough. It was a bad idea on my part to post on the forum. I have no interest whatsoever in 'using this site to point users away'. No. That doesn't work. Do you seriously think I would try to do such a stupid thing? I would get blocked. You know that as well as I do. ❦ Llwy-ar-lawr talkcontribs 05:52, July 28, 2013 (UTC)
I have locked the forum which should have been admin access only. Strictly speaking, I should give you a ban for that (as per previous non-split policy) but I will let that pass in this case as you appear to have left (again). --Laurels.gifRomArtus*Imperator ITRA (Orate) ® 08:54, July 28, 2013 (UTC)
We have appreciated the minor clerical help you have provided over several months (to the extent it was not promoting yourself, your Welsh Uncyclopedia, or your personal opinions on the Welsh people) but this is the third time you have resigned and, each time, tried to use your own decision as a springboard for us to examine our feelings and indulge you in gratuitous drama, backed by preconceived notions, particularly about Wikia, which are prompted by nothing that has actually happened to you during your time here. (In other words: I'm leaving, and it's your fault.)
This time, you apparently argue that, in the face of competitive alternatives, the fact that this website continues to exist is unfair, is the source of the disruption, or is an affront to the Natural Order. But there is nothing about your entire tenure here, or the end of it, that would prompt us to reconsider a major decision that we have considered and rejected.
About your polemic above: You have no interest whatsoever in using this site to point users away? Yesterday (along with adding the pointers away here and on your user page, which is allowed) you edited your signature to use every signature on each of your posts to point users away, which is not allowed. You have asked me to insert several pointers to cy: in protected pages, which is also allowed, though I don't know why it is. So Romartus knows very well you would be blocked if you tried certain things? Posted to the person who would do the blocking, this is a childish dare, or a pre-emptive complaint about something that has not yet happened; in either case, overt manipulation.
In short, your recent spate of unwelcome political agitation is not merited by anything you have ever done for us. If you are leaving, please just go. Spıke Ѧ 11:35 28-Jul-13

Unblock request

Greenquestioncircle.svg This blocked user (Llwy-ar-lawr/archive1) has asked to be unblocked.

The reason given is:

I will not delete the contents of my talk page again. I am not really sure why I should not have done that, as other users who have left have done the same and not been blocked for it, but I have learnt my lesson about this and I will leave this talk page as is from now on.

Also, this block is not really preventing anything because

  • I do not intend to edit any more;
  • If I really wanted to evade the block and continue to cause disruption, I would simply edit under my IP address as I am doing now. Furthermore, blocking my IP as well is not advisable as it is dynamic.

I am sorry for flouncing out the way I did and being uncivil. No, I should not be editing here, but the way I went about stating it the first few times was not right. It's never a good idea to edit late at night, as I did.

I would feel better about things if I were not blocked any longer. As long as I can refrain from editing, it should not be necessary. (If I can't is another story; I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.) 23:15, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Sysops: You may either unblock the user if they sound convincing, or you can decline the request and send the user to a perfect world where they can think about why their request was declined!

And if you see this could you please delete all my user subpages I listed on QVFD? Thanks! 23:17, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Llwy, I have never seen a person deleting the contents of his/her talk page. Maybe he/she just archived it. Maybe the comments dated back to several years ago. Anyway I am one hundred percent sure that you are not getting blocked because admins want to treat you differently from everyone else. You are getting blocked because there are rules and if you are tired of them, just read wikia's terms of use. Sorry, if I am being harsh but I think that you misunderstand wikia. Maybe not, than I should not have posted this here. Anton (talk) 08:12, August 1, 2013 (UTC)