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Those interested/willing to join my prospective group, lemme know here. Based upon the interest it gathers, we may or may not actually do this thing. —Sir Guildensternenstein 18:25, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd be more than willing to help, i'd just like an offical setup and details, etc. Saberwolf116 20:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
If this post gathers enough interest, I plan on doing just that. —Sir Guildensternenstein 20:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Why would we need a youth movement? —Sir SockySexy girls.jpg Mermaid with dolphin.jpg Tired Marilyn Monroe.jpg (talk) (stalk)Magnemite.gif Icons-flag-be.png GUN SotM UotM PMotM UotY PotM WotM 20:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Why wouldn't we need a youth movement? (if you have a better name, lemme know) —Sir Guildensternenstein 22:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Hitler-Jugend? --SoIwastolazytolearnGermanic.jpg-kun "whisper sweet nothings into thine ear..." 22:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Ünseikjugend. —Sir Guildensternenstein 22:57, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
How about something non-German, such as the "Sternensteinians"? Well, less German...lol. Saberwolf116 03:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
No, it must be German. Well, I don't actually care, I just think a "German" angle would be a nice foil to the British one that IC takes. —Sir Guildensternenstein 04:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Not sure what this group is about Guildy. Is it for those who are German or speak German and happen to be here - or will it be a discussion group in German ? This is not an objection - just clarification. --Romartus 06:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC) Ok just an extra note. I have now read the older post. I understand what you trying to do. --Romartus 06:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to notify you that the name sounds terribly stränge to a native German. If you want a truly evil name with German origin, I suggest Die Blockwarte. (see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockleiter) In modern day German, Blockwart is an (insulting) term for a lowly person who feels the need to control others, correct their behaviour, report and denounce any misconduct, and such. Quite similar to your quality control project (*ducks*). - Anyway, in case you might want to use a term without a Nazi connotation (well, I know that anything German-ish must have a Nazi connotation but just in case) here are some more suggestions: Die Klugscheißer (the smartasses), Die Korinthenkacker (the nitpickers, literally the raisin-shitters), Die Besserwisser (the know-it-alls, rather harmless) - NaturalBornKieler (talk) Germany Flag 1.png 09:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to help out. I don't have much rewriting credentials, but now I've got the chaos of an essay or two past me, I'm willing to offer ideas and try to contribute. --SoIwastolazytolearnGermanic.jpg-kun "whisper sweet nothings into thine ear..." 14:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I will definitely help out but I have one condition: chat idea mill. I don't see a use for co-operating on anything if the ideas aren't bounced back and forth, and chat is best for that. Immediate response breeds ideas quickest = best. Some people probably disagree, well, I give them that much rope. I rest my case. -- Style Oranssiviiva.jpg Guide 14:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Also - someone, probably Guildy (being the fatmother of the club in club), should slap together an initial list of prospensionationable articles with subjects he deems good enough for re-spoiling. Unless there's one already. -- Style Oranssiviiva.jpg Guide 15:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I would also like to give this new idea a shot. Sounds like fun. • • • Necropaxx (T) {~} 15:28, May 15

And Ünseikjugend sounds fine for a name. • • • Necropaxx (T) {~} 15:40, May 15
And here is a list of Army ranks for Guildy to see what he wants to use. • • • Necropaxx (T) {~} 15:45, May 15

Stuff

Thanks for the info, Kieler. I'm aware that my prospective name sounds odd in German; I took German myself all through high school, and will be taking it next semester in college as well. I choose that name because A) it's obviously "faux German," and it has a certain militaristic connotation, much like "Imperial Colonization." Although, we don't need to go that route, certainly. Of the potential names Kieler gave, I like "Die Blockwarte" best. Let's go with that, unless anyone has any objections, or can think of a better name.

As for the specifics, I was thinking that the objective of said group would be twofold.

The first objective would be creating desired content, i.e. writing an article listed as wanted from:

The second objective would be re-writing bad articles; mostly stuff in the various "rewrite" catagories as well as stub articles, although any article needing a "boost" could be tackled as well.

Writing/re-writing would be an individual affair, although collaborations would certainly be encouraged, too. If you choose to collaborate with someone, the manner of how you do it would be entirely left in the hands of the collaborators. Multi, if you want to use the chat to collaborate with someone, you'd be perfectly free to do that. The purpose of this group won't be to needlessly litigate the manner by which people collaborate or not, but to improve content.

As for ranks etc., I was thinking that it could be based on a system of points, much like IC. Writing an article from one of the "lists" I cited, or re-writing an article and improving it would be 1 point. Doing either of those things, and getting your article featured would be another point, so you can potentially get two points for an article. In collaborations, points will be halved, much like they are for the Hall of Shame. If more than two people collaborate, they still all get half-credit, again like the Hall of Shame.

Here is a tenative list of ranks I made up:

  • Soldat/0 points
  • Leutnant/2 points
  • Hauptman/5 points
  • Major/10 points
  • Oberst/15 points
  • Brigadegeneral/20 points
  • Generalmajor/25 points
  • Generalleutnant/30 points
  • General/35 points
  • Generaloberst/40 points
  • Generalfeldmarschall/50 points
  • The leader of Die Blockwarte (or whatever we call it) (me) would wear the honorary title of Reichsmarschall

How's all that sound to everyone? —Sir Guildensternenstein 15:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

So we have to rewrite 50 articles to achieve all the ranks? Or 25 features? Sounds like a long-term thing. • • • Necropaxx (T) {~} 16:08, May 15
Something like that, yeah. Look at the IC ranks, though--30 rewrites to achieve Admiral! 30! At least with this, you can move at your own pace. It's conceivable that a fairly motivated Blockwart could rack up 2-5 points in a good week, so... —Sir Guildensternenstein 16:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
And all this stuff is subject to change, of course, this is still very much the conceptualization phase. —Sir Guildensternenstein 16:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
For the flair, I suggest an alternative list of "ranks". German has so many words to describe typical characteristics and traits of quality-aware people:
  • Korinthenkacker (nitpicker, see above)
  • Erbsenzähler (bean counter, literally pea counter)
  • Beckmesser (nitpicker)
  • Wortklauber (quibbler/verbalist)
  • Rechthaber (dogmatist)
  • Nörgler (nagger)
  • Nervensäge (pain in the ... you name it)
  • Besserwisser (know-it-all)
  • Klugscheißer (smartass)
  • Schlaumeier (smart aleck)
  • Streithammel (squabbler)
  • Prinzipienreiter (stickler for principles)
  • Oberlehrer (schoolmaster)
  • Landplage (menace)
NaturalBornKieler (talk) Germany Flag 1.png 21:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I like those. I'll consider it. I think 14 ranks is a tad bit too many, but if it were trimmed a bit I think that'd be great. —Sir Guildensternenstein 00:04, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe something like this?:

  • Erbsenzähler/0 points
  • Beckmesser/2 points
  • Nörgler/5 points
  • Wortklauber/10 points
  • Streithammel/15 points
  • Schlaumeier/20 points
  • Besserwisser/25 points
  • Klugscheißer/30 points
  • Rechthaber/40 points
  • Prinzipienreiter/honorary rank

—Sir Guildensternenstein 00:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Those who might be interested, sign up here, below this header

I'll try to contribute as much as I can, though writing isn't really my thing. Count on me to help if you decide to do Antbortion, though. Saberwolf116 17:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

You're really big on that article. And, the beauty of Die Blockwarte is, you can take your own initiative and write/rewrite whatever you want, whenever you want. So, if you're interested in both this usergroup and that article, you can join this group, rework that article, and get credit for it. —Sir Guildensternenstein 18:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Alright. Are you gonna make it under userspace or just Antbortion/Rewrite? Saberwolf116 19:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't matter! You can do it anywhere! Ahhh! —Sir Guildensternenstein 23:45, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
This gig is hotting up now. I'd hit it. --SoIwastolazytolearnGermanic.jpg-kun "whisper sweet nothings into thine ear..." 00:02, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

So, to get back on topic, peolple who are interested, sign up (or something) below this post. —Sir Guildensternenstein 00:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Achtung, bitte

What interests me about the idea of this rewriters group is the promise of supporting individuals to do their own rewrites, as well as organising collaborations, not to mention the fact that the group aims at the lesser searched-for topics (a vast majority) that can prove to attract new users to the site than whatever popular culture term springs to mind. Here's a couple of ideas I can suggest:

  • An 'advisers' area. Some users who are preparing for a rewrite will sometimes first go to PEE review for a splatter of ideas to help push the process along. In a similar fashion to the Reefer Desk, users could add an idea to a list and anyone is free to share a line or two on how it could be executed. It's like a collaboration, only not all of the users have to actively concentrate on the project but merely shout a single idea, and the author who requested the help is still independent in what they want to do with the article.
  • A 'Dumkopf's List', where links to articles that reek of rewrite potential can be listed. The articles that carry the "this article has a good idea, but needs to be finished" (with it's Mona Lisa/Bean image) could be put to the attention to any rewriter by being in a clear list.
  • Also, along with the ranking system, perhaps a small award could be given to those who end up getting a rewrite featured?

Whatever happens though, this group sounds like the incentive that rewriters can be motivated by. --SoIwastolazytolearnGermanic.jpg-kun "whisper sweet nothings into thine ear..." 00:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm getting pretty enthusiastic about this. With your permission Guildy, could I whip something up in userspace for potential rewrites? You guys can add anything you want. Saberwolf116 01:03, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I certainly wouldn't object, but first I think it's important to define just what we're going to be doing, and how, first. Once that's done, I'm all for a potential rewrites section, or anythin else along those lines. —Sir Guildensternenstein 03:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Alright then. I think we should rewrite obscure, unknown articles as a group, and as a side goal, maybe get them on VFH to highlight them. There's so much untapped potential out there in the wiki, I don't think we should work on popular articles. What i'm thinking, in a step-by-step manner, is something along the lines of this:
  • First, we have a sections for each project, like "Rewrite #1 discussion" or something similair to that. We would throw ideas around for a rewrite, maybe vote on it, then archive the discussion and get to work.
  • Next, for as much time as is necessary, we can work on the article. We can get a good idea of a concept by discussing it on the talk page, similair to Imperial Colonization. Once we have our idea, we take our time, and talk about new stuff to put into the article whilist we do it.
  • Next, we submit it to PEE review, and based on that, decide whether or not to put it on VFH.

Granted, it mirrors Imperial Colonization, but the main differences will be that we can rewrite any article on Uncyclopedia, and we don't have any time limits. That alone could attract a lot of users. Saberwolf116 03:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking it would be more an individual-based thing, as opposed to a group-based thing like IC is. There's too much red tape with IC, which is why it takes two plus weeks half the time to get anything done. And, I want this group to focus on creating new, desired, content too, stuff of the "Wanted Pages," etc. None of this red-tape IC stuff, please. I mean, collaborations are still encouraged, but still. —Sir Guildensternenstein 03:42, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
So what you're saying it, we rewrite an article with our own ideas in mind, and mash em' together. That's fine, but how will we determine the rewrite? Will you decide? Saberwolf116 03:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I repeat: I will participate if someone wants to pick an article apart with me in chat. I'll not start buggering any of you for co-operation: just leave me a message on my talk page if you want to do it. -- Style Oranssiviiva.jpg Guide 06:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
To Saberwolf: NOOOO! My God! How is this concept so hard to grasp? Let me put it another way. OK. I'm Guildy. I am a member of Die Blockwarte. I see an article that needs to be rewritten. I go, and by myself, rewrite the article, in the process hopefully making it better. Kinda like what I did for Ingmar Bergman and Trogdor the Burninator. I saw an on a subject that I though had comedic potential and that I knew about, and re-wrote the existing article on that subject. It's a fuckload faster than IC, because A) I can work at my own pace, and B) I only have my own ideas to worry about. Now, if we (the wiki) getting five to ten people doing this exact same thing, year round, while also creating new, desired content as determined by aforementioned special pages, with a usergroup giving out funny-sounding German ranks and prizes to motivate them, I think we can seriously do some good. If you want to collaborate with someone in this process, by all means, feel free. Multi, if you want this aforementioned collaboration to take place via the chat feature, that's just fine too. The underlying point to this whole usergroup is that it's individual-based rather than group-based (like IC), because individuals A) work faster by themselves (I wrote Ingmar Bergman in ONE DAY), and B) are funnier by themselves (I have more featured rewrites by myself than all of IC does as a group). The only reason I'd be the "leader" of said group is because A) it was my idea, and B) being my idea, the page will more likely than not be located in my userspace, and therefore I would be responsible for its upkeep. Kind of like UU in regards to the PEEING stuff. So yeah. [exasperated panting] —Sir Guildensternenstein 14:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
OK, I get it! I'm in. 15:06, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
^ Sign your posts, Saberwolf! —Sir Guildensternenstein 15:31, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
I also got it, ages ago - I just repeated the collaboration suggestion so someone might actually happen to read it and pick it up. -- Style Oranssiviiva.jpg Guide 15:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Having it individual based is what attracts me, but there's no reason to offer ad space for those who want to collaborate, right? I've only collaborated once, and that's because we were talking inanely. Bear in mind though, that two-man collab took a month and I'm all the more willing to work on my own nowadays. --SoIwastolazytolearnGermanic.jpg-kun "whisper sweet nothings into thine ear..." 19:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
You mean not to? Anyway, I'm not trying to get everyone to collaborate with each other. My best work has been collaborated, and really quick. Some hours of actual work, mostly, and a few days from the beginning to main space. The thing with collaboration is to stop if it doesn't work, and start something else. Or just be patient and see if something comes out of it some day. -- Style Oranssiviiva.jpg Guide 06:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
I meant "not to", yeah. A mistake like that within a few days of my literature examination. Damn. --SoIwastolazytolearnGermanic.jpg-kun "whisper sweet nothings into thine ear..." 14:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

H'okay, so...

...I'm going to write something up in my userspace for the group (probably in like a day or two), and then let you all know when it's ready. We'll work out the spefics/kinks etc., and hopefully have this thing up and kicking within a week or so. Sound good? —Sir Guildensternenstein 00:49, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure, just one more question: I know we work independently on articles, but would it be okay to make a page for advice on styles and direction? Kind of like Pee Review, only for our group. Saberwolf116 01:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Sure, I don't see why not, though that function can be filled with Pee Review or the chat feature or people's talk pages, so it's not entirely necessary. I guess we'll just see what happens. —Sir Guildensternenstein 04:00, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Since the articles are meant for main space I guess the style thingy is the same with the general outlines. -- Style Oranssiviiva.jpg Guide 06:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Looking forward to it! --SoIwastolazytolearnGermanic.jpg-kun "whisper sweet nothings into thine ear..." 14:32, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Wait what's going on?

Guildy told me to come here. So what is all this? Icons-flag-it.png Don AAN.jpgOberst.jpg Puttano cHeDDs Jenny Spy Revised Again.jpg Leprechaun army.jpg TMMAN.jpeg Missmurder.jpeg SCBBQGPOS.jpg User talk:CheddarBBQ 02:51,18May,2009

Advice you all care about

I want to say that I think it's important that Die Blockwarte NOT be a catch-all usergroup. Blockwarte should be only for rewrites, otherwise, we risk getting in the way of the Order of Uncyclopedia and all that. Being a GUN and a Reichswhatever at the same time is, in my opinion, unnecessary. So, in short, Blockwarte = rewrites only. Thanks for listening ... or reading, or whatever. • • • Necropaxx (T) {~} 16:23, May 18

Der Unwehr

Go to this forum topic, y'all. —Sir Guildensternenstein 17:37, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

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